How can we improve the Stamps catalogue?(Update: 7-Feb)

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What do you think of the Stamps Catalogue as of now?

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I have a suggestion(s) and I would like to discuss them.

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I have a suggestion(s) but they are already listed.

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I saw the suggestions but I have objections on some of them (please discuss)

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Re: How can we improve the Stamps catalogue?(Update: 7-Feb)

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This is an interesting point. I am going thru Finnish (and after that other Scandinavian) stamps. There are different points of view should we make different item for various perforations, small differences between same issue or should we just put the stamp and add there known differences? There is also (old stamps) that have different issue date for those small differences. If we put the differences in one item, we should only mark also issue dates to description field. And even the printing method may have changed... Problems come out only with old stamps, I guess. We should only make an agreement how we should act.

My suggestion is to make one item and explain the differences in description field; although it may become in some items very large. This is very quickly "came to mind" opinions and I am open for different opinions. Mainly I hope we could get the rules we obey in all stamp items and countries.


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mats63 - the issue of variants is a HUGE issue in stamps and other collectibles, as one collector may consider two items to be the same for a slight variation but another collector would classify them differently. Specifically with stamps, a minor variant may be signify the difference between a common stamp and an extremely rare one. Generally we try to separate the variants on Colnect BECAUSE of our Personal Collection feature. A long awaited feature I plan to implement soon would be "Variant groups" and then should indicate all variants of a specific item.

Dario -

1) Let me know when ready

2) What u write may mean all the information about perforations is mostly wrong... isn't that so?

3) Let's go for "Comb 12¼ x 12¾" whereas later I can separate the "Comb " part from the numbers. I believe this is the easiest to read.

4) You can look at the stamps marked that way and decide :)

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mats63 さんが書きました:

... should we make different item for various perforations, small differences between same issue, or should we just put the stamp and add there known differences? There is also (old stamps) that have different issue date for those small differences. If we put the differences in one item, we should only mark also issue dates to description field. And even the printing method may have changed... Problems come out only with old stamps, I guess. We should only make an agreement how we should act.

My point of view is different because an exaggerated example of an approach of this kind would see all the "red penny" of UK grouped into a single stamp with 10 pages of explanation .. :shock:

The catalog is developed step by step and I think we have now to think about what will tomorrow. :!:

1st Step: presence of basic stamp, image, date of issue, any standard or widespread drilling. Such information is common to all catalogs and is needed by all collectors. :D

2nd Step: Inclusion of standard variables (same stamp but with different drilling, different watermark, different paper). These stamps are usually identified with a sub-encoding in some catalogs but not in all. The variants can also have issue dates different from baseline due to changes in the process of preparation occurred in the following years. This information is useful to specialized collectors and those who intend to become specialized. 8)

3rd Step: Other minor variations or errors or anomalies. Reported on a few catalogs and reserved for a minority of collectors. Although I also deal with these variations, personally I believe that there are out of the current scope of Colnect catalog and could only create confusion in the average collector, for which the differences are hardly visible. :(

The steps should not be forcibly separated from each other, but who co-ordinates must have clear priorities on which to move. :P


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DarioDeSantis さんが書きました:

2) I do not think anybody would look for stamps by perforation type or even gauge. The reason is that each catalogue often reports a different gauge for the very same stamp, so when you read 11 it could well be 10¾, 10¾x11¼, 11x11½, ... Any search would be highly unsuccessful and misleading.

tcawe さんが書きました:

2) What u write may mean all the information about perforations is mostly wrong... isn't that so?

I may be sure there are correct based on the information in the catalog used by those who sent the NIF.

An example: yesterday I submitted about 40 Lebanese stamps with Yt and Mi codes . At least half of these they had different drilling on the two catalogs. In some cases, as written by Dario, the difference is small. For others, it is great: I remember a series where a catalog reported 12 and the other reported 13. It 'a very different thing :!: Often Mi catalog is more correct but this is not right everytime.


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投稿記事by mats63 »

Again I must agree. Different catalogues give us different solutions. I take my words and poor ideas back. Surely it would be ok to make every stamp to the base as different item. This means although that we must have enough information in each item. If there is too much lack of information there comes situation with two or three (worst case ten) different items that look the same and have same information and look the same.

So; it might be the best way to make each variant to be an item of it's own. Same time we must have enough information for the stamps to know which item is the one I am really searching for.


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mats63 さんが書きました:

... So; it might be the best way to make each variant to be an item of it's own. Same time we must have enough information for the stamps to know which item is the one I am really searching for.

You really right. For this reason, I thought for a "second step": load variation should provide a load not only of the minimum information but all details which can clearly identify the two (or more) types. need more time and attention. :D


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投稿記事by tcawe »

In cases where different catalogs list different perforations, PLEASE mention that in the description. If you don't, other editors might "correct" back to a wrong value. This is pretty grim.

As for variants, I hope to get to this feature soon enough.

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Among the states of the catalog there is "Trieste - Zone B" but it is missed "Trieste - Zone A".

If you insert an icon, I can add to the catalog all the postage stamps.

Thanks.

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ToninoA さんが書きました:

Among the states of the catalog there is "Trieste - Zone B" but it is missed "Trieste - Zone A".

If you insert an icon, I can add to the catalog all the postage stamps.

Thanks.

ToninoA

Nothing needs to be added in advance. In the NIF, you can use the cell to the left of the country name to add a new country.

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投稿記事by mats63 »

Well, I'm working with Finnish stamps at the moment. There are older stamps that are missing but they mostly can be seen as variants for another stamp. What do you think should those missing stamps be added as new items or should they be mentioned as variants for an existing item? There are such differences as purchasing date, different watermarks and smaller differences in items, for example.

And about catalogs. I do not have Michel or other great worldwide catalogs. I use mostly Facit or our own Finnish LaPe-catalog (LaPe is not selectable in Colnect, could it be?) and I add the information based on those two catalogs, mostly. Maybe in future it may come possible to get Michel... I'm also interested to know if somebody is editing specially other North European countries. If someone is then I won't take time editing those countries. Maingoal is to make the Finnish section as good as it should be.

This kind of thoughts this time.


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投稿記事by saintluc »

in description you can add different types by color or indentation.

See example below çi

à description vous pouvez ajouter les types différents par les couleurs ou la dentelure.

Voir exemple çi dessous

https://colnect.com/fr/stamps/stamp/258 ... ion-France


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投稿記事by saintluc »

Thank you for the Finnish stamps.

I already have a nice collection of your country thanks to my work. Having worked for Finnish shipping companies for 20 years.

Merci pour les timbres finlandais.

J'ai déja une belle collection de votre pays grâce à mon travail. Ayant travaillé pour des compagnies de navigation finlandaises pendant 20 ans.


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投稿記事by mats63 »

Thanks, Lucien. Just I thought it should be at the moment. Waiting for the possibility to add variants.

It was also nice to hear your interesting contacts to Finland.

Greetings,

Matti


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投稿記事by DarioDeSantis »

What do you think should those missing stamps be added as new items or should they be mentioned as variants for an existing item? There are such differences as purchasing date, different watermarks and smaller differences in items, for example.

Deciding whether a stamp is a variety of its own (deserving a number and, more importantly, a separate entry here on Colnect) or just a curiosity is not always easy, especially if one uses a local, specialized catalogue as reference.

Errors, slight colour shades, tiny differences in the design are probably best left out, and only mentioned in the description field as wisely indicated by saintluc. This is particularly true when the value of this variety is disproportionally higher than the normal stamp (I might think it has been purposely done for speculation purposes).

On the other hand, a different watermark, perforation, paper, ... used for a large-scale reissue of the same stamp is definitely a variety that needs respect, and hence a place for itself. Usually, international catalogues will include them in their pages, or at least mention them as a little note.

I believe the main purpose of Colnect, and what the majority of its members expects to find here, is an easy and quick way to identify, classify and mark their own stamps, with or without a printed catalogue in their hands. If they do not have any catalogue, they will probably need just the essential information needed to tell a stamp from another similar item. If they do have a catalogue, they already have the right source of information they might need.

I am of the opinion that a specialized catalogue is NOT what most people want to see here. Information should be kept essential, or differential, in the sense that only differences should be pointed out where necessary. For example, what is the point of showing perforation, watermark, printing method if a stamp was only ever issued in one perforation gauge, watermark or printed in one method? The extra information is unnecessary for the purpose of identifying and classifying a stamp in one's collection. I often see description fields BLOATED with all possible details on the person being depicted in the design: I guess each of us can easily find the very same kind of information on Wikipedia, can't he?

The risk of putting too much detail, pushing on a high degree of specialization is clearly visible in Italy's 1950 year, as an example. Unless you collect all varieties of watermark direction, you will probably feel stoned after looking at that. The other day somebody argued that Austria's #1 stamp looks ridiculous here on Colnect, as there are dozens of different shades, and hundreds of different cancellations each having a different value. I suspect Colnect is not the right place for him.


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I agree 100% with Dario :!:


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