Ratings for gifts?

[crookscarine]

What to do with collectors who are sending a gift to other collectors?

Do you think you can give them a positive rating even if you didn't swap with them?

[tcawe]

Thanks Carine for this question. I've added a POLL here and made the topic global so that we get more opinions here.

PLEASE ANSWER THE POLL

[moneyer12]

i receive lots of letters and save the stamps to send to a friend who collects them, this is something i do as a friend and i do not expect to be rated for it.

[selofan]

i receive lots of letters and save the stamps to send to a friend who collects them, this is something i do as a friend and i do not expect to be rated for it.

Indeed....

When someone gets a gift, it surelly won't complain.....

[Pelacanyes]

Good night everyone

I voted for this option "Yes, a gift swap is almost" because I believe that at some point this gift will have a counterpart. For example, I kept packets of sugar by another collector who sent me Bottle Caps, but I now give packages of sugar without anything in return that he at one time or another I will get some crown caps .

So I do believe that a swap.

Greetings from Tarragona

Andreu Canuto "Pelacanyes"

[moneyer12]

same with my friend who collects stamps, when he finds coins or bank notes that he thinks i will like he sends them to me.

[angelo13]

In my opinion, a gift can not be considered an exchange, so you should not give a positive rating for the gift

[marcos1974]

In my opinion, a gift can not be considered an exchange, so you should not give a positive rating for the gift

I fully agree with Angelo13.

I think that is the nature of colnect swap between two collectors and the rating is due only after an exchange.

the gift is subjective thing that goes beyond assigning rating.

Marco

[garfld]

In my opinion, a gift can not be considered an exchange, so you should not give a positive rating for the gift

I agree!! a swap is a swap and it's only in that case that you should rate a person.

i received gifts and i also sent, but i only rate someone based on the swap and not the gift.

...but it's natural that you send or get gifts with people you swap a lot! i even sent banknotes or coins, because of previous swaps, and the relationship that is created.

fortunately with my swap partners/collectores/friends, i can send something that they don't have without expecting anything in return, and they do the same.

and we don't even get rated because we have the feedback from the first swap.

...don't you offer gifts or presents to your friends? i do! and here i have friends to!

but i digress...the point is, a gift is not a swap!

[shugal]

I have chosen "I don't know" because both sides have valid arguments. A gift is a positive thing, so it makes sense to me to give a positive rating for it, but it is not a swap - with a swap you negotiate something, and the negotiation process and the question if you really got what you agreed upon influences the rating (at least for me). I also wonder, who is sending a gift to someone he never swapped with? On the other hand, if I have stuff I would throw away and know someone else would like to get it, I'd give it to him/her as a gift - better than throwing it away. You see, I'm really undecided about this.

[Myszek]

I voted "No, a gift is not a swap", because it isn't. When I make a swap, I have expectations on what I get from the other member (as to what I get, quantity, quality). Only based on this I can rate a swap and in effect, rate that other member (does that person live up to what we agreed on?).

Ratings given by other members can give me a good idea if the member I want to swap with is thrusworthy. Giving away free gifts won't tell me anything about the quality of his/her collectibles.

Same system with Ebay. You can only rate a seller based on a purchase/won auction, not on the colour of his eyes.

[eLTuRCo]

A gift is not a swap but according to my experiences I have got all my gifts from members who I have alredy swapped a few times. Means we have ratings for eacother. But just a gift is not a swap so no expectation to be rated.!

[elmaykol]

Evendough I egree with the collectors who think that a gift is no a swap; if I happend to receve a gift, (I haven't) I'd be somehow in a moral obligation to send another gift to this person. In that case it would get closer to a swap.

[saintluc]

Un cadeau reste un cadeau, il est fait entre deux collectionneurs qui s'estiment.

Il m'arrive souvent d'en faire et je n'attend rien en contrepartie.

Comme je le dis souvent aux amis avec qui j'échange, je ne suis pas à 50 ou 100 timbres.

J'ai un ami sur COLNECT à qui j'ai commencé à envoyer quelques centaines de timbres pour les élèves de son école et je n'attend rien en retour sauf son amitié et l'utilité de mon geste.

Je crois sincérement que les petits surplus que j'envoi peuvent aider de jeunes collectionneurs.

Je montre aussi par ce geste que le collectionneur peut être aussi humain. Qu'il n'est pas un monstre calculant la moindre valeur d'un timbre dans un échange.

Je ne regarde jamais la valeur quand cette valeur est comprise entre 0 et 7 à 10 euro.

Donc le cadeau n'a pas à apparaître pour une note; ce n'est pas un swap.

Je reçois souvent des timbres de valeur de collectionneurs agés entre 80 et 94 ans que je connais depuis des années et qui ne connaissent pas le net. Je n'ai pas de timbres de meme valeur à leur retourner et je suis souvent géné...

Leur réponse:

Cadeau.

La raison que je puis invoquer pour moi aussi:

Mes timbres ne me suivront pas dans le cerceuil; alors autant en faire profiter les personnes sympathiques.

Bien oui, Saint Luc c'est moi (rire)

[neweden]

I think if someone is kind enough to send out gifts it should be recognized as such, and the sender should receive some sort of recognition for his promoting of peace and harmony not to mention goodwill amongst the vast collecting fraternity that makes up COLNECT.